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Florian:
How do you get some, like, new Techniques?

Antonio:
, books, traveling, going to teachers? My own research, the main thing that I learned is if you want to really learn something, you're going to have to travel to find the teacher. The teacher won't come to you. I've been really proud of all of my students. Pretty much for the upper body, the main strength work is done on the rings. You know, said something along the lines of the more expensive the school, the cheaper the more.

Florian:
Would you say that everybody should be able to do a handstand or like all these skills, like one arm pull up or something like that?

Antonio:
Absolutely not. I would never think that my grandma should do a one on.

Florian:
Welcome back to a new English episode today, we have a interesting talk with Antonio tourists from China and first first podcast guests located in China. We had already America and in Croatia and Switzerland. So now we have China Antoniou is a quite interesting uman because he is really evolving in the direction of movement and movements and in general being human. That is moving and not like putting everything in boxes like fitness or training or sports. And he or he also inspired me to like, think outside the fitness box where I like, was home with kickboxing and fitness. And he's is also coach training with people or bringing more movement. And people love people, people's life. And I'm really happy that he is taking the time to talk with me so that he can he and me can inspire you to like it's more movement and being happier when moving or whatever. So I'm quite happy that he will join us for talk and share his journey of talk from the beginning. Welcome, Antonio.

Antonio:
Yes. Thank you very much for having me on. And I'm very glad to hear that you were inspired to kind of break out of the box. I definitely started probably very similar to you with more of going into the fitness category and then kind of reaching breaking out from there. And I think a lot of people start with simply exercising or something that they're interested in, like kickboxing or some martial arts. And then as they see the other possibilities, they start to branch out. So I'm very happy to hear that I inspired you, even if it was a very small amount.

Florian:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think you are participating in Kung Fu. I used to, yeah.

Antonio:
So when I before I came to China, actually I did a number of number of martial arts. Some were not Chinese, some were more of the Korean or the Japanese. But then I did get into some more Chinese martial arts in America. And then when I came to China, I started to look out for where are good places to train kung fu here because it's such a traditional thing in China. It's not that everyone does it. Very few people now practice kung fu in China, but there are some very strong schools in China where you can train and pretty much anywhere in China you'll find a good kung fu school. But there are two big kung fu, the kung fu schools in China that pretty much everyone knows no one is Shaolin. This is probably the first one that you hear. The Shaolin Temple is very famous. And then the second one is Rudan. This one's a little bit lesser known to the outside world, but it's also very, very famous. And these are the two big sex. I was under the wooden system, so I traveled to down to to study some kung fu. Right now I am not in Woo Dong and I'm not studying Kung Fu.

Florian:
They're quite interesting. It's a world for itself. Now, put through a podcast about kung fu for sure. And please explain us or just take us with you like a small future into the past. How did you get God inspired or evolved from like fitness outside of the box into like movement, culture and all these things and get the view outside and like move more and not isolated. And, you know, in another way that is not very usual.

Antonio:
Yeah, I think I always started with those isolated practices. The first one was folk style wrestling, which I did for quite a while. And then near the end of actually doing that, I got into parkour. And this is where YouTube started to become very popular and people started posting parkour videos. So after seeing what those people can do, whether it was a backflip off the wall or jumping over walls or climb ups or walking on trails, I was so inspired by this and I had a number of friends also that really wanted to learn. So we simply just went outside and started practicing. And through practicing, we wanted to learn a little bit more safely how to do a back flip, how to do some of these vaults without falling on cement and smashing our faces, which we actually which we definitely did. But we wanted to find a smarter way to do that. So the first thing that we did was look to YouTube for some tutorials, which might not be the best idea, because there are some that tutorials on there. But I think it was a good starting point to kind of see what what are people sharing, what can I do? And that's how I learned how to do. A backflip basically was from YouTube. That's how I learned to juggle three balls was from YouTube. And then through that practice of just practicing parkour, trying to learn new things, I noticed that, oh, this parkour guy is also doing handstands.

Antonio:
So maybe that would be something cool to include, or this parkour guy is also doing this mobility drill. So maybe if I had a little bit more. Mobility in this area, it would improve that area of Carcoar or this and that, and then I started to get more and more interested. But I think the the biggest thing that inspired me to have a more general practice was an injury that I had when I was practicing for parkour and learning how to flip. I went to a gymnastics gym and started doing a tumbling class. So to learn how to tumble back, flip from flip in a safe environment. And ironically, that's where I had my big injury. So when I was doing one of the warm ups, something happened on the knee. The knee shifted over. I can immediately tell something was wrong. I couldn't walk on it. The next day I went to get an I went to get an MRI and they basically said, your meniscus, the cartilage in your knee is torn. You will have to get a surgery. There are two options for the surgery. Option one is you will be on crutches for about a week and then you'll have another couple of weeks of recovery and then you'll be good to go. So in that surgery, they would take out part of the meniscus and not repair it. And option two is they repair the meniscus inside. And this surgery takes a month that you can't put any pressure on the leg at all.

Antonio:
And then another six to eight months of recovery. So being very young at that time, I wanted to go with option number one. I wanted the quick fix, but I had no say in it. They basically said when we go into go to do surgery, we will be able to see how bad it is. And if we're able to reconstruct it, we're going to reconstruct it. So I went into the surgery not knowing if I was going to have a three week recovery or if I was going to have a nine month recovery. And I woke up from the surgery and they told me, we reckon we kind of reconstructed it. So you're going to be not being able to put weight onto the leg for a month and then another six to eight months of recovery. And that really put me into a big depression. I thought, what am I going to do? Because I was so used to being on my on my feet and moving and doing parkour and all of these different things. And I just felt the whole world come crashing down at that point. And I remember after the surgery, I came home and I was laying on the couch just thinking, what what am I going to do that that went for a couple of days until I realized, you know what? I have to do something. I can't just sit here all day.

Antonio:
So what can I do? I still have my upper body. I still have my hands. All right. Let's start to learn to stand on my own hands. Let's start to learn to pull myself up on a on a pull up bar. Let's start to learn how to hang. And that's when I started getting into the more body weight fitness where I couldn't stand on my own two feet. So I learned to stand on my own two hands. And then through that, I started to watch YouTube videos of how to progress. And then that's how I found Portal on his YouTube channel and was amazed at what he was doing. And in those low gate positions, the freedom that I saw on his body. And then I just kept going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole, trying to figure out what is this guy doing and how can I take what he is doing and put it into my body. I was thinking of it like a system, like I can input the information and go and be able to do these things, too. But I think that the the main inspiration and the main driver towards my development into a more general practice was definitely that big injury that I sustained to my knee. So in a way, I'm thankful for that injury because I don't know where I would be without it. But in another way, it was a terrible experience when it actually happened.

Florian:
Same same with mine. I had a gut disease and it's it's the same story like I'm thankful and even stronger than before. It's quite, quite similar. So, yeah. How long is this, how far is this away. Like which year was this injury.

Antonio:
This injury happened about about 11 years ago, so I think 2010 was when this injury happened and then I started to slowly make my way down the rabbit hole, you

Florian:
Know, so it really and so for now, it's really a long time to evolve and move more. And it's quite interesting. So as it's in general, I think it's it's quite young like movement country for me, it's quite young. So it's like two years or now three years. So to three here, it's like more than two or ten years with you. So that's why I can see all these things you are like doing in your training or participating in your daily routine. And it's like the next part where I would like to connect. And you may talk us. Tell us, what's your do you have daily routines of moving or how do you start your day or some some insights in your life?

Antonio:
Yeah, it I don't have a daily routine in terms of I have to do this, this and this every single day, but I do have things that I do do every single day and they change from from time to time. But in a very basic way. I make sure that no one I squat down no to I hang. And number three, I move the spine in some way. These are the three basic things that no matter no matter where I am, if I'm on an airplane, I will stand up and squat down. I will move my spine in the chair. Maybe I can't hang the way that it would normally happen in an airplane, but I would find some way to extend the shoulder up. I think this is very important and I would do this no matter where I am in the world now. My actual morning routine depends on what I'm working on that day, how much time I have in the morning, or if I have to get up early, do some things and then I can start. So it kind of depends. But lately I've been having more time in the morning since I've just come or just recently come back to China. So what I've been doing is just taking this time in the morning to read about 30 minutes of a book and then I will start moving the spine. Maybe while I'm reading the book, I will squat down and then I'll start my main practice of whatever it is, possibly some floor work, possibly going outside and doing some parkour or some object manipulation or something like this. And this usually takes the better part of my morning and that'll take us through until lunch time, breakfast and then the rest of the day starts again.

Florian:
Oh, yeah, nice. And I'm I'm quite familiar with all these things you just mentioned. You may explain why is it important to squat, to hang on to like. Yeah. Not sit on a chair while reading or these things. Can you maybe explain while this is why these things are so important to you.

Antonio:
Yeah, so first off, when I do read a book, I do sit in a chair at times, but I make sure to change positions, so maybe I'll go from sitting to standing or from standing to squatting or simply just sitting on the ground, not even squatting. So these these different positions, I think the the definition of a bad posture is a non changing posture. So if we're manipulating the way that we're sitting, the way that we're standing, it can bring better movement to our body, better overall feeling to our body. Instead of just squatting the entire time or sitting down the entire time, we can we can move back and forth in these particular things, moving the spine, squatting and hanging. I think it's important to not only compress the body as in squatting, but also extend the body as in hanging and then to manipulate the body as in moving the spine. So these these are the basic things that I would give to everybody. Of course, the amount of intensity, the amount of duration in the squad or the regression of progression is going to change based on the person. But this is what I would recommend for everyone to do at every level, no matter the age, no matter the the experience. It's a very important thing to do. And I try to preach it the best that I can.

Florian:
Would you would you like on the line that these things are basic human movements and everybody or almost everybody in relation to his body, to its body itself, should be able to do these things or should include them like on a daily basis? I mean, you gave the answer, but would you like.

Antonio:
Yeah, I definitely think they should be included on a daily basis. I don't know that I would go so far as is there these they're the only basic human movement. Obviously, we have these walk, we walk, we we we talk, we we stand, we squat. Everything is is it's more than that. But being able to pick things off the ground while squatting is an important thing. Being able to reach overhead is a very important thing. And then being able to manipulate the spine so that when we're in the free world and we're moving around, we don't have this lower back injury or something like this.

Florian:
How would you explain like manipulating the spine? I mean, like spinal waves. But could you, like, explain to the listeners? Well, not quite familiar with all these things. What how does it look if you are just getting up and manipulate your spine? How can I imagine that?

Antonio:
It doesn't have to be in the form of waves or circles, but it definitely can be. So a basic understanding would be if you start in a standing position and then you flex at the neck first and then segmental go down the spine just reaching the head towards the ground and then segmental coming back up first at the lower back then the thoracic and the cervical and then finally the entire head lifts. That would be a part of moving and manipulating the spine. And then you could do the same thing to the side. You could do the same thing to the back, you could rotate as well. So we can have all three planes of motion moving in it. It doesn't have to be a specific amount of sets of reps. It's simply getting some blood flow, getting some movement in the spine.

Florian:
Yeah, you said a quite important thing, like with the sets and the reps. Think many people are like stuck into into these boxes. Like, if I have to do three sets and 12 reps to achieve goal X, Epsilon's, X, Y, Z. And so I think it's it's quite important also to leave the stone and like, I can move and even if I just do it for one time, it has a benefit and it's better than not doing it at all.

Antonio:
Would you agree? Yes. Yes. You put up a very good point. And this is something that I've actually struggled with myself as well, because I'm a person that when I do something, I kind of block out everything else that's around me. So if I'm, for example, doing a string session, I am only doing that string session. There's nothing else I'm doing. And that sounds like a good thing. But also, if I'm working on the computer, I am only working on the computer and I will not stand up and move. But I'm trying to get more of this habit of every five minutes. OK, I stand up for a second, maybe kick my leg up, maybe move, maybe rotate my spine a little bit, maybe squat down for a second. OK, then get back to the computer. And this isn't the most maybe it's not the most productive thing about being on the computer, but I think it's the most productive thing for your body. And there's nothing that's worth more than your body. So I will gladly be less productive on the computer to be more productive on my body.

Florian:
Yeah, absolutely. And you also the coach or trainer or whatever you guys want to call it and give it to them. And all these things you just mentioned, I'm sure these are also principles in your coaching and like getting movement with people, I think.

Antonio:
Absolutely. So everyone that goes under me will have some type of movement of the spine, some type of squatting or getting low to the ground and some type of hanging. Some people do more advanced things or doing more strength work or more mobility work. But some people come to me simply because they have all of these ailments and they're feeling like they're kind of trapped inside their body. So maybe they just need an hour a day to passively hang or squat down or do some basic strength drills like supporting yourself or being in a push up position, something like this. So when we when we see things online and I'm I'm I'm someone that does this as well, I post what what students do. That's impressive because this is what people will look at. But there's also a lot of things that I think are impressive. But maybe a viewer from outside wants where someone that couldn't raise their arm, passed 90 degrees, can now passively hang for 30 seconds. That is amazing to me. Much more than someone getting a one arm chin up in two months, much more than someone getting a one hour handstand and three months being able to get that basic human pattern back is going to improve their life. So much so I don't share that a lot. But this happens all of the time. And it's an important thing getting back your squat, getting back some range of motion in your legs or in your spine or in anywhere in your body, I think is an important thing to start to realize you might be lacking and then start to work on it.

Florian:
And quite interesting because you all like combining all the things you learned by yourself on your journey and combine them into your coaching. I really appreciate that. And it's always like for me, I also enjoy that combining the things I went through. And I know the feeling that some stuff looks quite easy from from from an outside view. And when people try it by themselves, they are like, well, I'm not able to do that. Like diagonal, diagonal stretch. It's like some some of these things, they look they look like, OK, everybody can do that. But if you try to do most people just fail to get funny or quite slow and so, so much control in the movement itself and help explain the big control of the both moves and the body control. I think you know what I mean. That's what you're train for me. And do you also include, like, dietary stuff inside your coaching or how do you buy yourself eat to follow a specific diet or just eat what you want or.

Antonio:
Yeah, so nutrition is a big part of my life and I give some basic principles to my students, but I'm not a nutrition coach, so I don't say, OK, you're going to eat this on Monday and eat this on Friday and nothing like this. But it's more of general principles where they can start to experiment with what works for them because not everything that works for me is going to work for you and and vice versa. My my nutrition journey is still going on, just like my movement journey. But it has improved so much since since I started. I remember when I was much younger and when I was a teenager, I didn't care at all for my nutrition. And because I was training so much, it didn't matter. I was still gaining muscle and I never gained any any a lot of fat on my body. So I thought it just wasn't important. And then later down the line, I started to have some problems with my teeth and I was like, well, well, what's wrong with my teeth? I'm brushing my teeth, I'm flossing, I'm doing all of this. And later down the line, I realized, OK, maybe food doesn't just show on the outside, but it shows on the inside as well, whether that be in the organs, whether that be in the mouth. And I think this is a really important thing to start to understand. So I would never call myself a master of nutrition. And I'm still learning a lot. But I do have some some principles that I stick to that work for me. And I'm still editing my own nutrition as well. It's not perfect, but it is getting better and better.

Florian:
There's that, again, so many interesting things, like it's not perfect. That's something I really like on Instagram or the social media stuff that I want to share, like a meal that is something like inspiring the people that are watching that. And everybody directly thinks, OK, his meals are perfect. Every day it's like I have my own cook and it's it's it's, again, the perfect things that people are so stacked in, like thinking everybody is perfect in this world that, like, you are a mover or not mover. I don't want to put you in like the box, but you're like a more active person and I'm also a more active person. So they think, OK, it works for them. So their life has to be perfect and it's not the case. So if you listen and you think our lives are perfect, I can talk for myself. It's not that perfect. And I'm yeah, I'm proud that it's not perfect because like we told you or we talked about it, an injury can make you stronger in the far for longer journey. And in the moment itself, it's like frustrating or like you told Dantonio, it's depressing sometimes and it's quite hard. But in the long term, you know, it's sometimes it has is it is it has its benefits now.

Antonio:
Yes. I 100 percent agree. I would I am far from perfect. So there's a lot, a lot that I'm working on. But yeah, I agree with you.

Florian:
Like, um, I've just thought about it. Would you love to share some stories of your like like students. Do you have any stories you might want to share or. This thing for you?

Antonio:
Yeah, I won't name anyone in particular just because I want to keep their privacy if they want that. But of course, I do have one student that comes to mind who has been with me for almost over two years now on the online coaching. And when when he started, he had a lot of different coaches. Some are very popular, especially on YouTube. And he said that he didn't really. See a lot of progress in there because there wasn't a very individual process for him, so we we got into it and I think the thing that really got him far was he trusted me. And I think there was a couple of different reasons for that. But after a lot a lot of work from not being able to squat after probably it took over a year, he could finally squat yours down to the ground. Now, is it comfortable? Not yet. He can stay there for minutes, but it's getting there. He can do a locomotion work. He can move in the low gates. His mobility has opened up. He had I can't remember exactly, but he had some hip hip surgery. And this hip surgery really limited his mobility, especially on that one side. So we've we've opened that up quite a bit, even though he had a lot of problems in the past. So I've been really proud of all of my students pretty much. But he's been with me for a long time. So I'm I'm very happy with his overall progress, not even in terms of physical progress like mobility and strength, but also the mental progress of understanding. What is this practice and how can I practice and how can I improve when you're not there anymore? And that's a very important thing to understand.

Florian:
I think now you agree. And do you also like in incorporate that weightlifting or tool training like cattle belts or rings or sticks in your training or movement like mentorship?

Antonio:
Yeah, we use we use all of the above. So for the upper body, the main strength to work is done on the rings or using some type of suspension, like just a pull up bar. Maybe it would be would be enough at the beginning stages and some other work as well. And then as they get more, a little bit more towards understanding the strength aspect, we get into more of the ring work some of the strength work there. And then for the lower body, actually, because of the pandemic that's changed a bit. Usually for the lower body, we would use a lot of barbell work, a lot of heavy weights. But because of the pandemic, a lot of my students had no access to weights. So we changed to body weight, which maybe is not the best for strength development. But it also has some very good advantages. For example, mobility in the low, low position and learning different types of entries into the lower position. So although they didn't have access to that, that equipment, they also gained a different type of freedom that was away from the strength. And then we do use things like tennis balls, soccer balls, maybe to to manipulate some sticks for some drills as well. So if the tool works, we will use it. If the tool doesn't work, we won't use it. And I think it said something along the lines of the more expensive the tool, the cheaper the mover. So we use the rings, which are relatively inexpensive. We do pull up bars. We do a lot of our work outside, which is free. We use floors and walls, which costs no money. So these these tools that are at our disposal at any point are some of the best things that we can use.

Florian:
Now, this quote also so often on my mind, because I was like typical guy, I had all these tools, these fancy tools, try them out for one or two times and then they just let there. And I just followed the training I followed before and didn't get that much like improvement in my daily movement habit or whatever. You mentioned locomotion. And can you explain this? What is it about?

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Florian:
How do you get some, like, new Techniques?

Books, traveling, going to teachers? My own research, the main thing that I learned is if you want to really learn something, you're going to have to travel to find the teacher. The teacher won't come to you. I've been really proud of all of my students. Pretty much for the upper body, the main strength work is done on the rings. You know, said something along the lines of the more expensive the school, the cheaper the more.

Florian:
Would you say that everybody should be able to do a handstand or like all these skills, like one arm pull up or something like that?

Antonio:
Absolutely not. I would never think that my grandma should do a one Arm pull up.

Florian:
Now, you mentioned locomotion, and can you explain this? What is it about?

Antonio:
Yeah, you can think of locomotion as learning to navigate the ground with the hands and the feet low to the ground. So think of having a bunch of tables lined up and you have to move under the table. Basically, this is the height that we're going after and we learn different patterns that come from some some kung fu, some kung fu stances, some capoeira, some a lot of different types of arts are kind of combined in here. And you can see a lot if you're if you're practicing martial arts, you'll see that there's a there's that martial art kung fu side. If you practice capoeira, which is another martial art, you'll see that capoeira side. If you practice dance, you'll see the dance side. So it kind of depends on what you're used to and you'll kind of identify it as that. But it's learning to navigate the ground close to the ground.

Florian:
Now, what do you think about this animal movement style training? Like walking like a bear or like a lizard, for example.

Antonio:
Yeah, I think the I think the word animal movement is is trademarked or something like that, it's like a system or something. I could be wrong, but that's what I'm thinking about. This animal movement system compared to Edo's locomotion, there is no comparison in my eye. The The Locomotion has hundreds of elements, if if not over a thousand. It has been working towards improvization. You have much more freedom in it. So if I was doing, which one would I choose? Absolutely. Every time I would go for locomotion. But that being said, walking like an animal is no problem at all. And within the locomotion we also do lizard crawls. We do things that resemble different animals as well. But it's different than the animal movement, as in the trademark style that that they teach. And in that that way,

Florian:
Would you say that sorry for just a bit jumping because I have so many things in my mind to talk with you. Would you say that everybody should be able to do a handstand or like these skills like one arm pull up or something like that? What do you think about it?

Antonio:
Absolutely not. I would never want my or I would never think that my grandma should do a one armed pull up so the these skills can be very good at certain times to build up to, but they're definitely not necessary. And the necessity of them depends on what you're using them for. For example, if you were competing in in rock climbing, maybe you would need a full front lever or somewhere close to that, and maybe you would need some advanced Behnam tooling like a one on chin up or close to one. I'm up. Maybe that would benefit you in that area. But if you're not someone that competes and uses that strength and absolutely needs it, then maybe it's not a necessity. Maybe we can get away with much less intensity on the body. But that being said, the process of learning it can be the reason why it's advantageous to learn like the one I'm handstand. I don't use this almost ever in my practice, but that process of learning it and having to be so dedicated towards learning I want them and Stamm was the advantage. Everything and not everything. But a lot of different things are so easy for me simply because I remember the process of going through, for example, the one I'm Hempton, which was incredibly painful, especially mentally to learn because you're failing so often. You're you're by yourself. There's no one to help you. You know, it's it's a very difficult thing. So I don't think that. Yeah. To answer your question more, basically, no, not everyone needs a handstand.

Florian:
I would agree 100 percent. Would you like what do you think about the terms wrong and riot or bad and good movements? Do you think something like this exists or is it just like an all mind?

Antonio:
No, I think I think it doesn't exist, but when you're teaching something, there is such a thing as you're doing it well or you're doing it not so well, but in the general sense of doing this is bad for you and doing this is good for you. I don't think really exists. Of course, you could be using a much higher intensity than you should be and then you're more likely to get injured. But there's the movement itself has no inherent, bad or good.

Florian:
I think something that I like to say is like there are no right or wrong movements or moves or whatever. And the main problem is that the people who are doing these things, like, for example, the handstand, they're like watching YouTube video with a handstand and think, OK, I will train directly without, like, no experience, like from kung fu or kickboxing and just directly jump from, like a fitness training into the handstand, get an injury and then say, like, does this shit or it's it's wrong or it's a bad move. And not not only Wolfenson, but maybe like also with other moves. And that's something that I realized that people are mostly not like prepared well from body and mind to like use these movements.

Antonio:
Yes. And I think the good thing about developing some level of bodyweight strength is if you're not strong enough to do it, usually it just doesn't happen. So, for example, if if you're not strong enough to do a chin up, you're not going to be able to move off that arm and nothing bad's going to happen. You're simply going to get no movement. But if you try to squat four hundred CGY when you never squat very regularly, then that can end up very bad for you. So there are some there's some good things about developing some some body weight strength in the sense that it's harder to do a more advanced progression because you simply can't do it now.

Florian:
Do you have some like regeneration insights from your life? Like do you like uncovered some secret regeneration projects, processes in your life like or do you like cold showers, for example, or do you go into a sauna or things like that or massage roller or whatever? Do you use something like that or do you like it? Build up a routine to regenerate like deeper, look better, faster but deeper, maybe

Antonio:
No secrets, definitely no secrets. But I have used some of the things that you've talked about in the past, like cold showers being exposed to the cold. My hometown in America can get very cold in the winter. It's all use that time to go outside and explore in a funny I guess not a funny story, but when we are training kung fu in China, we were training in January and it's freezing cold, snowing outside. We're training at six in the morning. We go out there and we're going to do some soft work. So we're not going to get our body temperature up very high. So we're already freezing cold. We have our gloves on and the coach in front of us tells us, take off your gloves, teach your body how to warm up your hands by themselves. So we took off our gloves the first couple of days, completely frozen. Can't feel them for a good five minutes or so after the work. And then after that, the the hands learn to warm themselves up and no longer needed those gloves for that particular work. So I think that there's some very powerful things to using the cold, using the heat to train and understand what's happening in the body. And then as far as, like massage goes, I do get massages and use some more Chinese Chinese style techniques.

Antonio:
For example, I had another injury to my knee while I was in China. I basically I never got an MRI, so this isn't for sure. But the doctor told me more than likely I had done something to the ACL. It wasn't ruptured or anything, but I had done something and my knee swelled up to the size of a balloon. I could barely walk on it and they recommended that I get acupuncture and I had never done acupuncture before. So I said, OK, I'll give it a try. So he said, we need to do five days of acupuncture in a row. The sessions are going to probably be like an hour to 90 minutes in total. So I tried it after three days. Eighty percent of the information was gone after five days, 90 percent of it was gone. And then it was a matter of. Slowly getting it out after that, so I had some very good experience with acupuncture for that particular injury. So if you have a good practitioner and you have some inflammation possibly there, acupuncture can be good for information. And I've read studies where they've basically said the same thing that I did where acupuncture can help to reduce inflammation.

Florian:
Yeah, really interesting what I had in my mind now, as you told the story and then these things, um, how do you get some, like, new techniques or how do you find some some new things that you include in your own training or in your coaching? Like to explore and play and test it by by yourself? Or do you like read some books or like travel to like maybe some cultures that have some special techniques or do do you want to share how you come or how you get some like you know, like if I could tell it like that or where you are inspired most for like exploring new stuff.

Antonio:
Yeah, all all of the things that you mentioned, I use all of the above, so books, traveling, going to teachers, my own research, the main thing that I learned is if you want to really learn something, you're going to have to travel to find the teacher. The teacher won't come to you. I remember I had a workshop in America and it was probably three hours from my hometown and somebody commented, when are you going to come here? And it was right next to to my hometown. When are you going to come to this place? And I think Itoh or someone from the team commented on something like, we are already here, we're not going to be at your next door neighbor's house. You're going to have to do some sort of travel. And for for for for us, it might be three hours. It might be 15 hours. If you're coming to China from America, that's how long the flight is, if you get a direct flight. But I've done a lot of traveling to learn from the best. And that's what you're going to have to do no matter if you want to get better at learning a general movement, practice or music or something like this, you're going to need to travel. And of course, right now it's probably not the best time to travel, but hopefully in the near future, things will open up and we'll be able to to go and learn.

Antonio:
And that's one of the things that I'm most excited about, to go back and continue to travel and learn from from my teachers I'm very excited about. And then I do do my own research. I have basically some some tasks or some some things that I'm interested in interested in that I want to explore. So, for example, for the past month or so, I've been really getting into balancing on the rail. Now, this is something that I've gone through with via via portals, online coaching. So I've gone through a process to learn this already. But now I'm getting deeper by myself. So I'm starting to learn possibly different mounts to get into the rail, combining things improvization learning different types of things on the rail. And it's a it's a very fun part of the practice for me. So this is where I take my interest and I go a little bit deeper by myself without a teacher. And then I also have a teacher where I go into different disciplines very heavily. And now I have a teacher's response and a teacher's guidance in a particular discipline.

Florian:
And I took quite the same with the in deep research, like, for example, some months of kettlebell training, then some months of breathing, breathing, work like needs the breathing and the breathing stops and all these things we have breathing, eyes popping. And after some months of going deep, deep inside this topic and exploring by myself now I learned so many things and won't forget them again and incorporated them into my habits, habits or daily life when they were useful for me or I know they are useful for clients, for example. And it's a good way in my eyes or my my mind opinion to explore things and learn them. And like for traveling for some weeks or some days can upgrade so many things ourself now. Really, really nice. What you just said now, you mentioned like object manipulating like bolts and bolts and bolts. And would you like to the would you love to explain these things? And why why do you use these things in your coaching or in your training by yourself? Isn't it a bit childish to play with bolts?

Antonio:
Yes. Yes. And that's why that's why I do it. I think now I think for me personally, naturally, I am terrible at manipulating objects with my hands, with my feet, with my head. So one of the main reasons that I would be interested in is simply because I'm uncomfortable in it. If I ever feel comfortable, I know I'm moving in the wrong direction. I kind of strive towards what makes me uncomfortable and trying to improve that, being uncomfortable in that particular space. So for me, it's a very fun practice to go from being absolutely level zero and then getting to level point five. It's a very important thing is a very interesting thing to see for sure. So it can be a fun part of the practice. But the reason. I learn anything is simply because I trust a teacher to take me through the process, if I have a good teacher, I will learn anything, whether that be music or art or or some type of drawing or something here or ceramics, I will learn it if there is a good teacher. And that's why when I was in China, I learned kung fu because there are good kung fu teachers here. So I took the opportunity that I had. Um. Yeah. And then the reasons that my students do it are probably very similar. Possibly it interests them. It's a fun part of the practice is a little it's a little bit more playful. Um, yeah. This is, this is the main reason.

Florian:
Yeah. I'm the same quiet. But as I realized it has also to do with my eyes like one eye is a bit like shifted outside more than the other one. And I don't know how this exactly happened, but I think it was like the trauma while I was born. And for example, like most of the time one of my eyes is offline and the other one is doing all the work. So I'm like more into training my to train my eyes. And I realized that's now because of this lesser quality of information through my eyes, I'm not that good, like, for example, in ballgames or related things with bolts and catching and throwing. And that was quite interesting thing I explored by myself.

Antonio:
So so object manipulation would be very good for you, I think,

Florian:
You know, yes. We talked so about so many things. How can people, like, get in contact with you? What is your, like coaching looking like who can join? Is it easy to join or do you like have some requirements for joining you or is it offline? Is this is it online? Maybe talk some, maybe get us talk about some stuff you are doing on YouTube because I found you about YouTube via YouTube. And I think it's quite helpful and interesting because doing so many tutorials and like going into all these parts of the moves and maybe you want to explain about YouTube and how can people find you to get in contact with you and maybe you get you as their coach?

Antonio:
Yeah, so if you're interested in and what I'm doing and you want to get in contact, I have a website. The website is Talet Move dot com t o move dot com tollway. Move on and on. There you'll find videos from YouTube. So there you can find my YouTube and you'll also find my email on there as well. Email is the best way to contact me, so if you're interested, you can contact me through email. As far as taking on students, I do take on online students, but I have just a few spaces left because I want to keep it relatively small so I can be as in contact with my current students as possible. There are no there are no prerequisites as far as you need to be able to do this or that. There are people from everywhere. Some people come very strong, very mobile. Some people come without being able to hang or be able to squat. So there's a big demographic. But one thing that stays the same is your if you're going to come, you're going to need to come in. You're going to need to work and you're going to need to make some sacrifices. So for online coaching, we need video communication. So you're going to be taking videos of yourself. You're going to be analyzed. You're going to be sending them to me and I will be giving you feedback this way. So if you are uncomfortable filming yourself, if you're uncomfortable editing together, basic editing together videos, then online coaching is probably not for you. If you're not going to spend an hour a day, at least on your practice. And online coaching is not for you.

Antonio:
I realize it's not for everyone and that's totally fine. But if you are interested in learning, for me, that is an option. I also do teach in person. Obviously right now I'm in China, so if you're in China, you can contact me. If you're outside of China right now, it's almost it's very difficult to get inside China. So I don't expect anyone to be traveling into China to to train with me. But in the future, that's a possibility as well. I do do workshops as well. I actually will be doing a workshop in China very soon. But hopefully once things open, I'll be doing some workshops in different countries. So that'll be another opportunity to join. And I will have some in-person opportunities as well. And as far as group classes go right now, these will be in China. So if you are in China and are interested in joining a group of people that move together and inspire each other, you can contact me as well. And then as far as YouTube, yeah, I started this this YouTube channel originally as kind of like an archive of, OK, this is what I can do now. Let's just upload a video. So if you go on my YouTube channel and just look at my oldest video, it'll probably be I don't remember exactly probably like a muscle up or something like that. And then it slowly evolved into some basic tutorials, maybe on like a chin up. And then I started doing some very Cringely flogs where I videotaped myself doing my practice. And then people got interested and then I started doing more and more.

Antonio:
And then what I've realized through gaining a following on YouTube is that I want to share information that people will actually use. So you'll notice in my titles there is no click bait in my thumbnails. There's no incredible looking thumbnail. It's very basic. And I do this on purpose. I'm not looking to get hundreds of thousands of subscribers or millions of subscribers. I don't want people watching my videos and then just end up having empty views. I want people watching my videos, the majority of them, to actually use the information, apply it and actually gain something from it. Because for me, YouTube was a very good source for me to start to learn some of these things. So I want to be a channel where you can come and learn some things about the philosophy behind certain things. Maybe a tutorial here, here and there, maybe see how my practice is. And you can you can gain some insights. So although my my channel is growing, I'm honestly quite scared if it does grow to be a very big it's a scary thought to to for that to actually happen. So in a way, I'm doing things to limit the growth of my channel in some ways. But at the same time, I do want people that are interested in going to use the information to find it. So if you're interested, my my YouTube is simply way you can search the tollway and find my YouTube channel there. And hopefully you enjoy some of my my style and some of my videos and I'll continually put out content that I think is important and continually increasing quality, hopefully.

Florian:
If you are interested, please get a workshop done in Germany because like followings of movement, culture and like also for you, I think growing more than ever. And I think there is a highly interested community for participating in workshops with you.

Antonio:
I would love to travel to Germany. And what's funny is if you look at the analytics from my YouTube channel, the first the first one is the United States. And I think the second or third one is Germany. So I don't know why I come across well in Germany, but I'm glad to hear that. And I get a lot of people contacting me from from Germany, this area. So I'm very happy that some some people in that area are enjoying the perfect.

Florian:
I will put a click bait talking about on our podcast. So just for the record, and I will link all these things you mentioned like YouTube tutorials, I will we may talk again to put some stuff into the show notes for people and will direct them to all the things you mentioned. And Antônio, if there's anything you want to tell the listeners, what is on your heart from the deep inside, you can tell them now or we are leaving the podcast

Antonio:
Deep, deep inside my heart. Oh, geez. That's probably very, very difficult.

Florian:
You you already said so many things from your heart. Yeah.

Antonio:
Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe all of it already. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, the main the main thing I want the listener to get out of this is to to explore more from their body to move more. If you're listening to this podcast right now, squat down for a second. Go hang for a second. Move the spine. It's it's a very important thing. And we don't get a second body. So we need to to appreciate what we have and hopefully allow our body to work for us and not feel trapped inside of it.

Florian:
Now, jump, run, walk, climb up, squat, hang. Yeah, so many things. Lift and play with your children if you have children and enjoy, absolutely enjoy everything outside. Explore even if you have a dog, just run, take them for a run or whatever. And Antonio, I'm very thankful. I can only highly appreciate people to get in contact with you and ask for coaching or participate if you are like interested in all these things that Antonia told you and I hope it's a help for you. We will link everything in the show notes and Antonio goodbye and till the next time.

Antonio:
Thank you, Flora. And it's been a pleasure to be on. I will hopefully be talking to you soon.

Florian:
Yeah, goodbye.

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